I think I have neglected you blog readers a bit by posting a lot of my updates about Swagger on my new Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/SusanGarrettDogAgility). So today I am going overboard, with this mega- blog post. And yes, I promised to get back to our talk on NRM this week:).
As you can see in the photo above Swagger’s structure is quite lovely at this stage of the game. His structure will play a big role in my decision to keep him or let Penny (one of our Say Yes instructors) have Swagger. Swagger is making a strong case for himself and just Friday he snuck onto my macbook and produced this little video for me to find.
I have been spending a lot of time with Swagger who turned 4 weeks old today. Socializing is so important when you have a singleton puppy. First I wanted to make sure he grew up to be a confident puppy. Feature took care of that. She wrestles with him daily and always lets him win.
I have introduced the first of many “noisey” toys that he gets to beat up adding to his growing confidence. The video below was taken about 5 days ago. You can see both Feature and the “Pig” working their magic to help build Swagger’s swagger:).
Saturday afternoon John and I took singleton puppy Swagger (almost 4 weeks old) up for a play date with a litter of Lab puppies 10 days older than he. Knowing this was something I wanted to do, I have been thinking about how I could best prepare Swagger for this trip ever since he was born.
First of all I consulted with my veterinarian as I wanted to know what the health risks I was potentially exposing Swagger to (being that he was less than 4 weeks old). I was told they were little to none serious threats provided I knew there was a high level of health care in the litter we were visiting.
With that behind me I started to prepare Swagger in other ways. First of all I knew I would have to lock him in a crate for at least an hour as we made our way to home of my friend who owned the Lab puppies. Sooo, I had to get Swagger used to a crate and get him used to a crate that moved.
Now that would be pretty easy if I had some sort of reinforcement I could use to shape the puppy. Since he was still nursing and has little interest in solid food that would be out of the question. Knowing Swagger was a very curious puppy I decided to put an empty crate with a blanket in it in his pen to explore as he play around.
After he happily ran in and out of his crate I increased the challenge to him by raising the crate up onto two balance disks. That way it was Swagger that chose to go in and out or stay and relax. For three days after I made the change he no longer spent time in the crate. But then, just as fast as he stopped going in the crate, he decided he liked it again and began to play and rest in the wobbly crate. It was not unstable, I made sure it wouldn’t tip over but it definitely moved a lot with Swagger inside.
Swagger comfortably playing in his wobbly crate. A great way to get the puppy used to the fact that crates may move. Super foundation for traveling in a car or even a plane!
Mr. Swagger the Ham. Now loving his crate. The lack of a door gives the young puppy choices to do what he pleases. At this young age it is critical the puppy playfully investigates his own way.
I still hadn’t added a crate door to lock the puppy inside but with so little time before our trip, I knew I would not get that chance and would have to rely on his obvious love for the crate and his adaptable nature. In a perfect world I would have locked him inside once or twice, but on Sunday I just had to “wing it” knowing he has chosen to seek out the crate to play and sleep for a full day by then.
The other thing I did to try and help the puppy prepare for his big adventure was that every day for a week, I took Swagger into a new room in our house and sat him down to see how he coped. This included three new flooring surfaces. At first this was a bit upsetting to Swagger. He didn’t move much and had his tail tucked when he did. Within minutes though he was happily investigating. By Friday (his 5th new room of the week) he hit the ground running, happy to investigate.
The last thing I could do was allow Swagger to meet our adult dogs at home. I did this by setting up an exercise pen in our Kitchen and have him spend half of every day in the pen (while being supervised by me). Each of my adult dogs would spend time visiting Swagger through the bars. He isn’t quite old enough that I would allow anyone other than his mother to play with him but at least he has been growled at and loved up through the bars by everyone (except Buzz who at 14 1/2 has less interest in puppies than he has ever had!).
Having done all I could to prepare, it was time to pack up Swagger and take him to his big adventure with the Labrador Retrievers.
Swagger happily snuggled down in his crate on my lap on his way to his big adventure. He was such a good boy. Even though he had never been locked in a crate ever before he made little more than one peep all the way there and not a sound all the way home!
Now the event. I put together a video of Swagger’s visit with the Lab puppies. Yes it is cute but it also incredibly educational. I have marked some things to notice about Swagger’s behavour but there is much more I haven’t pointed out. So here is your turn to write. Watch the video clip through and note all of the communication between puppies down with their body language. See what you can pick out. What fun!
Today I am so grateful for Susie Bell of PineBank Labradors for allowing Swagger to be educated by her lovely litter of Lab babies!
I admire your crate training method. Letting Swagger explore the crate at his own pace is a good idea. It’s nice to hear he adjusted quickly to the wobbly crate.
Quoting a previous post, I never saw an answer to….
“You made the comment that Feature always lets him win. Is that a good thing and can you have a puppy that is over confident? Also is it a good thing to have toys that vocalise like a puppy but dont react like one when hurt.”
… I have a singleton Sheltie now, almost a month old. Mom plays with him but isnt submissive to him or let him win all the time. I dont want him to be a ‘bully’ (over-confident) but I do want the confidence…
I really don’t know if it was a good thing or not that Feature always let Swagger win. I of course didn’t do that it was her and I just allowed their relationship to be what it was as imo it wasn’t harmful. I of course didn’t let him win when we played together. Again I don’t know about the vocalizing toys — I think the way Swagger beat them up may have contributed to his ruff way with the Lab litter when he was first introduced to them. My best advise would be to find a litter and get your puppy interacting with it the way I did. I had to drive an hour each way to do it (I the middle of a Canadian winter) but there is no doubt in my mind it was that Lab litter that made Swagger the stable, confident, outgoing, sweet dog that he is today.
So how did Swagger turn out!!! I have a singleton pup and have the opportunity to put him into a litter…….i would love an update on your boy
@Marci, Swagger turned out amazing. I just love him to pieces. You would never guess he was a singleton puppy. All of the trips up to play with his “Lab brothers & sister” made a huge difference I have no doubt because I have seen the confidence issues of other singleton puppies and am happy to say I see none of that with Swagger!
This is very helpful & interesting. Our female Papillon just gave birth to a singleton on Friday. He’s 2 days old now. I am also looking to socialize him with a litter. I will wait several weeks yet, but this encourages me to follow through on this. I think its soo important to socialize them.
Thank you Susan for a wonderful educational experience. One of the things I love about you most is that you share. Thank you!! Never having owned a puppy–this is super for me, and others as well.
It was so interesting to see Swagger’s progress throughout the play date. As a breeder, this is never anything I’ve had personal experience with so I found this very educational. I must admit to being a wee bit distracted though, as one of the future mamas of the Lab puppies,it gave me some insight to help make a very difficult choice! When are you posting the next one?
Hey Susan, I jist thought that i would add mu two cents worth with regrads to a singlton puppy. My amazing boy(Golden Retriever) came ito this worlk all by himself.
I know that I made many mistakes in helping him grow up to beome a confident loving boy. between my breeder and myself, we gave this dog as much interation with older dogs, and people, with caution, since he was not fullyy inoculated . We would allow hin to play as mcuh as possible with both dogs and human two legged. Toque is an incrdiblw dog, who has attached himself to me, with a bit more surrogacy then what I had hoped for. In Toques growth, i think that I had most of the basis covered….he was coming in to a household with another female and socially before we got him home and when we got him home, he was certainly exposed to as many envioronment experiences as I could manage. What I have found is that Toque has created a strong pack instinct with both myself and the other dog in the family. Whenever there is and intrusion inot his pack is when we have encountered difficultie. Toque often feels as though he must protect his pack. It has beome a constant surielance with any dog that he encounters, some he just accepts, whereas at other times the tail goes up and he is in defensive mode. I have made these interactions as nothing and we walk on.
I guess what I am trying to say with a singleton pup, there is more work involved, and I am sure that you have most of this covered.
Toque is very strongly attached to his Mama(Me) and I am always aware that this can pesent issues.
Being the awesome trainer that you are you have worked though much of this. I just thought that I would send along some of my many experiences.
Good luck with Swagger. The saying that you need to meet 100 different dogs in the early stages of life are important, and I believe that these need to be dogs outside of you pack.
Swagger looks to have some incredible confidence, just as my Toque, did at an eary age. I just think that it is critcal to keep these interactions to dogs that are not currently part of his environment. Perhaps, your other dogs will provide you with much of this exposure, but I know now that the more that you can put in , the better it will be in the long run.
I have worked really hard with Toque, and I can now confidently off leash him for walks and not experience any congrontation. Shomthing that I am sure that you are considering.
All the best to the whole gang, and expecially to Swagger, and wish for you an amazing journey with the little guy as he grows, similarily I hape if he goes to another home , i Know that you will place him where he belongs.
All the best to you and the Gang,
Wanda Otter and Toque
I’ve been traveling in Australia & India for past month & only just checked back in. Imagine my surprise to see Mister Swagman!!
I looove watching him with Feature, what a sweet Mama!
What confidence this little man shows… he seems so much more mature than the lab pups, like an only child who grows up around adults & picks up on the program fast. Apart from the general puppy interaction I loved watching his natural instinct to herd too. There is nothing so joyful as a puppy learning his way in the world. More please!!
I am SOOOOOOOOOOO hoping you will do an on-line puppy class! I am getting a new girl this spring and would love to start her of the Susan Garrett way!!!
Swagger has a face like Buzzy…
Oh, stopping kidding yourself, your keeping him.
One thing I noticed after watching for the second time: when Swagger got puppy mauled he then turned and grabbed a toy. I am thinking that was a calming signal–not just playing with toy???
@Caroline, yep, you may very well be correct on that one!
It is awesome that you are sharing this. Watching how a singleton puppy (or an orphaned foal) copes with the challenges Mother Nature dealt is completely fascinating.Swagger is a great little fellow!
lol so who knew that real puppies wouldn’t just lay there and take it like stuffed toys or mothers!!! A second play date would be very interesting to watch….
… one more thought I had was he has MANY dog-communication signals for a single little man, the mama is teaching him VERY well! Good girllie Feature 😉
Many things have been said I know I saw a ton of dog-dog communication, strange thing noticed Swagger always going for the tail/butt of the other pups in the beginning (wondered if he thought they were all his toys to tug/squeak?!).
Anyway, liked him trolling around at the end like a more typical pack of puppies, pup (the falling over another pup was a novel moment for me!).
I think it could have been shorter (you said it continued past the video end, that point actually may have been the perfect place to stop….but I am not an expert by any means so I may have no idea what I am assessing here) he just looked a bit tired at that point….loved that he sought you out more then once for confidence, you can tell he has a really positive relationship with you 🙂
I have to say Johns comment made me laugh out loud at my desk “some border collie we have” ….priceless.
Really think this will be a great ongoing experience for Swagger, puppies learn best from puppies!
Mary
Clearly you needed to bring a few lab puppies home for the next couple of weeks!
I thought it was interesting how much more confident and active Swagger was than the lab pups – and how much that faded as they ganged up on him. I liked seeing that he was pretty happy regardless, and I agree, seeing him collapse in a puppy pile would have been nice. Maybe he’ll get there at another playdate – it should give him some experience relaxing in a loud, obnoxious environment like a trial.
I also like the description of how you got him used to a moving crate. Quite an education for the rest of us! Thanks!
Great video and a lovely puppy, Susan. Did I notice that you referred to “John’s puppy” in one of your comments? ;0) . Congratulations on having the courage to let the pups work it out themselves … my uneducated observation is that unless one is dealing with doggie sociopaths too often we humans rush to intervene and the puppy only learns that bad behavior always gets a rescue.
Helen
Thanks for sharing – notice towards the end how most of the lab puppies were ready to crash while purple girl and Swagger were still moving? I feel a bit sad that Swagger does not have littermates to help him develop; however, you appear to be doing a good job in helping him in this area. I hope he gets frequent visits to this wonderful set of lab puppies to aid in his development. Unfortunately I have nothing new to comment on – I see lots of stimulation – rear end smelling and puppy play bites – much needed for a growing puppy to learn how to interact. 🙂
All the best,
D
Having watched the Lab experiment a couple of times now, I have only a few observations. At first I was somewhat surprised that Swagger was more interested in the lab puppies than the other way around. But then, other live puppies were a big novelty for him, not for the lab puppies. Second, note that when the first black male nails him that he averts his head in a calming signal. It’s just amazing to me that these seem to be hard-wired. Finally, I don’t think Swagger was biting that hard – the only time he really got a reaction was for ear biting, and that can hurt with puppy teeth even if the puppy is exercising bite inhibition. Does Feature let Swagger know when he is being too rough on her nipples – she should be by now.
Are you going to do a structure evaluation at exactly 8 weeks, ala Pat Hastings?
The yelp when being bitten worked really well for my two kelpies. Maybe that was because it was genuine and accompanied by blood. A couple of time they have accidently bitten me while tugging and it was hard enought to make me accidently yelp. I didnt do it deliberately as I didnt want to put them off tugging. I was amazed by the effect that it had on them. It made both quite concerned for a moment but both went back to tugging. I can now see them distiguish my hands and arms from the tug toy.
joR
I remember reading Ian Dunbar books before/after you get your puppy many years ago and he spoke about bite inhibition. If my memory serves me well, I remember that he said you need to yelp like a pup when you are bitten as that is what his/her littermates would do. Yet, I think I only heard one yelp (other than Swagger) in the video. I’m not sure what that means, if anything, but just found it interesting.
Incidentally, while this worked well for my first pup, it didn’t work so well for my second. My second just thought it was a great game when he got a reaction out of me! That stumped my puppy class instructor! LOL
I don’t think he suffers from low self esteem!!!!
Feature is such a lovely mum and that pig is way too cool!!!
Baby Swagger is doing good!! 🙂
How cute your swagger are. I love watching him playing with the other dog. Having a cute puppy like that isn’t boring being alone at home. Right?
Thanks for sharing your little cutie swagger!
Hi Susan,
You mentioned that Swagger “shut down”. Is it a shut down that is a bad thing or is a time where he is having to work out how to survive more successfully in this environment. I am not sure the play date was too long. I thought that his behaviour at the end was much more relaxed.His tail was down his ears relaxed and the vocalising had stopped. I saw a little moment with two other lab puppies where he was touching noses and he aknowledged them differently. You made the comment that Feature always lets him win. Is that a good thing and can you have a puppy that is over confident? Also is it a good thing to have toys that vocalise like a puppy but dont react like one when hurt. I am asking these questions as I really dont know the answer. Two of my dogs have been pound puppies and the other two have come from litters of nine.
I loved the way the black lab puppy started with walking away when he tried to play with him but gradually upped the anti. Did “Swagger” bite the blanky after he got his ear bitten. Poor litte bloke but as you said pay back is a bitch. I learnt a great deal from watching this. I had never really considered the problems faced by a singleton puppy. Please video the whole thing next time. It isnt boring at all.
regards
joR
Darn good questions Jo, and I agree fascinating to watch. Susan, by the time you are done, I think there would be some Vet Behaviour Specialists or students who would love to look at all this.
I found the whole video just fascinating! Amazing to see what sort of behaviors are present at such a young age. I appreciate that you shared this with us!
Just to chime in here, thanks to fellow-blogger Esther for timely links to calming signals! and thus incentive to get the dvd by Turid Rugaas.
Mr Humpenstein– LOL!! Really enjoyed the video, can’t wait for the next installment.
Learning bite inhibition with the mama (who is much more tolerant obviously) is a lot different then practicing with with potential sibs who have been roughhousing and playing for several weeks and learning.
Lucky that Susie was willing to oblige. Seeing how big Swagger was against the “older” labs, probably a good thing you started early!
Oh, and Turid Rugaas’ book “On talking terms with dogs: calming signals” is very good.
So is “Canine body language: a photographic guide / by Brenda Aloff”
I just thought what I saw on the video was just a wonderful thing for a singleton,,,to learn to deal with others,,,,not a bit like his stuffed toys,,great learning and socializing
What was the total length of the play date? And approximately how long did you allow for each ‘phase’?
Fascinating stuff!
The total length was “too long” according to John. And for a first outing I would have to agree with him. I had a vision of how the whole thing would rollout and that in the end Swagger would get tired and pile on the Labs to sleep. That was unrealistic because A) He has never done that before so why would he do it in a completely foreign environment and B) he didn’t know these puppies at all and they just tried to beat the crap out of him!
I think the total (including the 10 minutes of sulking) was about 30 minutes. I got 15 minutes of videoing and I know John stopped videoing when his boy started to sulk:). I picked up the camera at the end to get him “rebounding” sadly I didn’t get any of the shut down.
I would guess he had about 3 minutes of playing by himself and then a few minutes for every stage thereafter. I lifted the separation fencing at about the 15 minute mark according the the tape.
Ah-ha! No wonder Susie didn’t dally leaving the tracking club meeting that afternoon!!! 🙂
Awesome post and funnily wrong music/sound effects! You are so funny Susan! That is cute how purple girl is keeping charge of the goings on with Swagger. What a perfect group for him. It is interesting how his behavior evolves and becomes more relaxed. All that squashing and rolling and sitting on each other stuff is interesting, because I have an older pup (12 months in March) and she likes to sit on my 3 year old dog’s face, walk over his body, step on him, much like these pups just sort of obliviously walk all over each other. Charlie tells her not to do that, but she just flops around endearingly and they put up with it. Interesting how dogs use their whole bodies in interacting with each other, not just their nose or paws or something, but their WHOLE entire body.
Forgot to say that Feature looks like the most wonderful mom! I love the way she plays with him!
My educated opinion is that confidence does not appear to be an issue with Mr. Swagger. 😉
How terrific that Susie is willing to share her lovely litter with Swagger; it’s great for him AND gives them a chance to see an unfamiliar pup, too!
Was there a difference with how Swagger played with Feature after the play date?
@Kristi Hmmmm I haven’t really noticed any difference but I will continue to monitor. While playing with me, in anything he shows more intensity:))
Wow, the things a dog does so young and my dog still does – especially with other herding dogs.
I saw some
Bitey face (as described by Ian Dunbar)
and some butt to butt bumping
and a tail hug (for balance, I guess, when doing the bump), and
herding. Ie trying to get the other puppies to move so one herding puppy could chase. He did try hard to round them up. Would love to see what he would do with (non-swimming) ducks.
@MRB great observations! Any of you that are fans of Turid Rugaas there are lots of calming signals shown by many puppies (including Swagger!)
I just think it is great that they were “lab” puppies …. so this wasn’t just ANY experiment, this was a scientific LAB experiment!!
I love the way a dog reaches out and taps another on the butt. doesn’t it look like the way kids will approach a new kid with “Hey, Kid!”
LOL! in the crate looks like he might be in a space shuttle going to some planet with you…
Your Swagger’s response to the labs so reminded me of all my singleton litter pups. Their confidence level was never a problem! LOL
If I had a singleton pup again I would have loved to find a similar age/size litter. I do think that is the best compromise but not always practical (finding the right breeder and the right size pups). The lab breeder is being so kind to you!
Best of luck with him!
Cheers, Bernadette
what a super litter of Lab puppies to have such an outstanding learning opportunity for Swagger! the lab experiment went as nature intended it to and good of you and John not to intervene unless absolutely necessary although I’m sure there were some moments that you might have wanted to:>) Well done to all!
I loved the video! It was extremely informative. I loved watching the puppies interact with each other. I’ve never bred a litter, so I never really got to see the puppies play with each other other than the times I spent looking at the puppies. Thanks so much for posting!
How good were those Labrador puppies to put up with Swagger trying to remove their tails 😉
I think he did pretty well…. responded nicely when the little black lab told him off i.e. he let go of the other pups tail and then when he went back for more he looked to be a bit more gentle. Even though he had a little hissy fit when someone bit his ear he didn’t respond badly…just came running to you to tell you all about it. Also, when his stalker was being very persistent he didn’t let it worry him…he just kept walking away from her.
Looks like he’ll learn some nice social skills with some more visits. He might be in for a nasty surprise though when those lab puppies start to outgrow him 🙂
Just curious: did Feature go along for the ride?
Good question Kathryn. I weighed the pros and cons of taking her along but decided to leave her at home. If she came along she would have just stayed out in the cold car. She would have known that her puppy went somewhere without her. It may have been slightly more reassuring to Swagger for the drive but that was all I could see as a plus. I closed the door to our bedroom (where Swagger generally stays in his palatial whelping box:)). It is a big room and the puppy’s bed is a long way from the door so she wouldn’t know for certain he wasn’t there. We let all of the dog’s outside and then I took the puppy into the garage and waiting until John let the dogs back in the house and we made our covert get away from Feature:).
Ha ha. You go all male alpha, you’re just begging for a female alpha to step up. Purple was awfully cute here.
Interesting watching puppies play. I was a kid the last time I interacted/watched a litter grow up and I don’t remember much.
Share some more with us! I’m loving seeing how a dog matures.