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4140 Successful Repetitions Must Mean Something!

Posted on 08/15/11 141 Comments

Recently I was doing some math. I was looking at all of the dogs I have trialled in agility since I decided to train without physical or verbal corrections (that was in 1994). There is;

Buzz (born in 1996), DeCaff (born in 2000), Encore (born in 2004) and Feature (born in 2007).

Swagger hasn’t trialled yet so he wasn’t included in my data, but as you can see from the picture here, his start line training is well under way! This pic was taken this past weekend, I was walking a course and just left him outside the ring in a chair for 15 minutes. When I first put him there there was no one else around. Dogs and people started showing up after. I actually forgot about him after the first cookie reward. Although he did jump down to say hello to his friend Vince, other than that he was a model 6 month old puppy. Crate Games training has given him a great understanding of “do-not-move-until-you-are-given-a-release-word.”

So back to my math. If you consider how many times I have lead out from the start line in agility with all of these dogs. Knowing I never do a running start (I am just not fast enough) for every class I ran with these dogs, each of them was left at the start line while I lead out.

Now Buzz and DeCaff both had seven year careers, Encore so far has had six years and Feature three years. That is 23 years of leading out at the start line. With approximately 45 days of trailing a year and an average of 4 classes per day. That is 4,140 start lines I have lead out in agility without a dog breaking a start line. This doesn’t include the thousands of start lines I have done with these dogs while practicing sequences or doing jump grids at home or participating in workshops over the years.

Now I am not saying my dogs will “never” break a start line, after all they are dogs, but the stats so far are pretty compelling aren’t they? 4140 successes zero errors. I think the evidence shows that I have a good handle on how to train sit stays (or stand stays) without force right?

That being so, I hope you will agree with me that if a dog ever breaks a “stay” position, it is not he that should be given a verbal or physical correction because the dog is only a product of his trainer’s understanding.

So in the past at one of my workshops, when someone verbally or physically corrected their dogs I would go a bit nutso on them. I mean correcting any dog for breaking a start line is really blaming the dog because he wasn’t trained by someone that had a great understanding of how to properly use reinforcement in training right? It was unfair and I would always would jump to the defense of the dog who was taking the blame.

You can’t blame me . . . it sounds appropriate right? Well it does unless you are the student on the receiving end of my “verbal correction.”  Chances are you were unlikely to ever return to another Susan Garrett seminar.

As an instructor, this is a lesson I had to learn the hard way. Over the years I am certain I lost the respect of more than one student when I over reacted to their actions. Even though the trigger for me was anything the student did to disrespect their dog and my intentions may have been noble, the action I took did more harm than good in helping the dog know a better way of life.

I have several Anthony Robbins quotes I refer to on a regular basis. One  of my favorites is this one;

“You can not influence someone while you are judging them”

I may not have it exactly right, but the meaning is clear; if someone feels you don’t respect them they are going to shut off from taking in your opinion. Now it doesn’t matter how talented you are, or how much good you have to share, it will all be lost the moment you disrespect the person you are trying to “help.”

Did I intentionally “disrespect” any student? No, I love to teach and I would never intentionally hurt anyone’s feelings. The same is true of the student. They didn’t intentionally disrespected their dog. They are only a product of what they were taught. They likely came to my seminar wanting to learn more and I might have been able to have helped them  but the moment I “corrected” them I likely lost their trust and faith in my ability to do so.

Amazing how life imitates dog training isn’t it?  It always fascinates me when I see how life’s lessons transfer so nicely to dog training.

Perhaps Tony should have said

“You can not influence the behaviour of any animal while you are judging them”

Embroider that on your tug leash to read every day and see how it changes both your dog training and your everyday relationships with people.

Anytime you find yourself calling your dog a “bar knocker” or “shut down-sucky dog” or “out-of-control manic” you are judging their potential based on your limitations as their dog trainer.  I know this to be true because I did it myself.

This also is true when debating dog training methodologies. All too often the differences between how you train and how you would like others to train is expressed as a judgement. There is no way we can open the eyes of those we would like to influence if we are throwing stones at them for the choices they are making. Difficult when we so want to help “their dogs” but critically important if we sincerely do want to help “all dogs.”

Today I am grateful for Speki and Buzz. Of all the dogs I have owned, these were the two dogs I “labeled”  the most for their shortcomings. I now realize that these short comings were just a reflection of my limitations as their dog trainer and these dogs were only trying to help me overcome these weaknesses.

One of the really great things about dogs is that they do not want our regrets it doesn’t service any purpose to them, but our gratitude sure does.


  1. Margie says:
    Wednesday, September 28, 2011 at 6:15pm

    I have to say my OES Jewel just started herding..The trainer was blown away last week with the wonderful sit stay I had.. So I mentioned that I would like to reward her by not always putting the leash on and leaving the arena..Sure enough this week Jewel felt she still needed to work sheep..but I managed to get a stay and do a collar grab and then release her back to the sheep several times..
    As for my SUCKY border collie boy could I use some help..there is just no way I can stop judging her…margie


  2. Lyn O'Donnell says:
    Tuesday, September 27, 2011 at 1:03pm

    I am a member of another forum and a question came up for suggestions on gettting a dog to be quiet at night in their crate. The suggestions were as follows get a stick a sturdy one and smack the crate and yell NINE you need to be ALPHA! Some were reasonable play some soft music make sure your dog has beens exercised. You get my drif. I suggested re training the crate to create value for the crate as in crate games by Susan Garrett. My dog has been trained this way and sleeps with an open door in her crate and doesn t come out in the morning untile released. Well they thought I was absolutley nuts, Obviously I have no ability to control my dogs and they must rule the roost. I explained that by changing to reinforcement rather than corrections behaviors are strengthening ect… I don’t some people will ever get it Keep smackin those crates and yelling NINE hiltler! I am quite happy with the results I am seeing in my new dog be raised in do land, I bet she could put there dogs to shame and she is barely a year old.



  3. Dave Munnings says:
    Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 11:28am

    Hey Susan.

    Don’t Always read every blog you write and I’ve never commented but I think that’s the best one you’ve ever written. I’ve never had a dog break a start line, dobs can be pushy, but like you’ve written I know it’s 100% my fault because I always let him get away with moving a foot here or there.

    I’m constantly telling people I train off for verbally punishing their dogs on start lines or contacts when it’s so obviously due to bad dog training!

    Anyway rant over, great blog, hope your having fun with swagger Lauren said he’s amazing.



    • Susan says:
      Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 12:09pm

      Thanks Dave, good to hear from you. Hugs to Dobs.


  4. Susan Tombs says:
    Sunday, August 21, 2011 at 9:05pm

    That should be “triggered by a dog’s vocal chords vibrating at a certain volume”. No way to preview or make corrections to postings here…


  5. Susan Tombs says:
    Sunday, August 21, 2011 at 9:03pm

    Well, I’m sure my answer to your barking problem is contrary to what Susan G. would suggest, but I use an e-collar (Tri-Tronics Bark Limiter) which is NOT a remote collar. It is triggered ONLY by the vibration of a dog’s vocal — nothing else. A button battery lasts a full year. Five intensity settings to choose from, and an “odometer” that lets you know how many times it was triggered since it was turned on. I compare e-collars to “Tens” units used in physiotherapy treatment. Is it cruel?!? Well, let’s see… my dog got the hang of it VERY quickly, and now she can stay outside as long as she likes (which is ALWAYS, in nice weather) and I’M not going crazy with a dog that’s definitely genetically predestined to yap ALL THE TIME!!! She virtually never triggers the collar (which I have turned the setting down on). She has NOT developed the annoying HABIT of non-stop barking, which many dogs do (their “off” switch no longer works… and they have become self-stimulating), and she is a calm dog when outside in her run. Compare that with several nearby neighbours’ dogs, who are barkers and fence fighters (and are owned by inept and ineffectual people) and who will, one of these fine days, provoke me into yelling “Shut your f-ing dog(s) up!!!” and then calling by-law. One owner with 2 dogs is, in fact, a so-called “instructor” in one of the local dog clubs.

    Now I am SURE that SG has a kinder, perhaps not quicker, solution, but if the owners won’t implement it, or an e-collar, nothing will work. And, I like to know that when I’m out and about, my dog is quietly in her run outside, NOT pissing off my neighbours. I hate barking!!! In the house, my girl doesn’t wear the Bark Limiter e-collar, as she has very few things to get worked up about. If she has to stay home alone, indoors, in her crate, she wears the collar, because her barking can be heard outside, even with all windows and doors shut. Letting her bark on and on only gets her MORE worked up than she otherwise would be. It’s better for her to stay calm, and that works for me.

    She also has been taught to bark on command. For the most part, she’s generally a real talker (not barker) about whatever is on her mind. Moans and groans, roo roo… she’s got the whole gamut! Now THAT talking is just plain FUNNY!!!

    The trouble is, you can’t MAKE other people handle their dog problems! It sounds like your neighbours are heading for BIG trouble with their pit… and I predict it will be “put down” or “given away” before it’s 1st birthday, based on what I have seen happen in similar situations. That they got this (kind of) puppy in the first place tells you what you’re dealing with, and those kinds of people generally CANNOT understand reason or (uncommon) common sense. You might give by-law/police a few calls if things don’t improve… but you can be sure that it doesn’t mean the problem will be solved in any satisfactory way, for you OR for the dog… Good luck to you… and especially to their dog!


  6. JessicaRose says:
    Sunday, August 21, 2011 at 6:56pm

    Tonya: So, how exactly “do” you stop a dog from barking? We bought a house in the next county over and my neighbor has a 6 mos old pitbull that is constantly barking. My neighbor is constantly yelling at it to shut up and he (the neighbor) told me that his dog actually “went after him” the other day. I would love to help him, but am afraid to offer it.. this is his 2nd dog, the first one was 16 when he put her to sleep.. I think they are too old and sickly to have a puppy like this one.. sigh.. I really don’t know what to do.. I want to help the neighbor, dog, and well, ME, because the dog is always barking! Any advice? Anyone???


  7. Tonya says:
    Sunday, August 21, 2011 at 12:52am

    Learning all I have from Susan Garrett has me wanting to show someone the better way to do it and explain how I can make it happen in a more positive way. Showing a friend how he doesn’t need that choke collar has been fun. They have been very open to learning and are watching videos I made of their lab while I baby sat for a week. I have said to people when out, “May I show you something I learned from a famous trainer I know?” I get sad when I know some are not open to another way. I’ve been told “this way has worked my whole life, I’ll stick with it.” Can’t win them all over but we can try. I got a text tonight to tell me Brody the lab started barking and ran to get the toy I gave him when he heard me on the computer. Big smile for me.


  8. Susan Tombs says:
    Saturday, August 20, 2011 at 9:06pm

    I think that, in summary, our dogs ALWAYS show us who we really are, much like young children do. So the Big Question is: Who and what do I want to be? Everything I do and don’t do will be (I can strive, anyway) influenced by my answer(s) to that simple (but not easy) fundamental question.

    Over the years, I have learned much about abuse… abuse of partners, children and animals. We do what we have learned. But at a certain age, we become responsible for our actions (if not legally, then certainly morally), because we have “free will”. And thank goodness we do. It is our only hope for change, growth, learning, improving and so on, on the positive side. Unfortunately, on the negative side, it allows us to learn more destructive, heavy-handed and cruel ways to “get what we want”, which may for some include a dog that jumps when we speak — but out of fear of us, not love and admiration for us. I ask people a simple question: Why did you get your dog? Their answer to that one question can tell me a LOT about how they will or won’t live with said canine… and the potential for future behaviour problems… And of course, unless the person lives totally solo, and has a clear set of boundaries for how others are and are not allowed to interact with said canine, relationship problems are BOUND to arise between the canine custodian and other people, related or not.

    Your posting, JessicaRose, is encouraging and to be celebrated because, by example, we can really only influence one person at a time, for the most part, thereby helping one dog at a time, if we’re lucky. I think that, in the vast majority of cases, a dog problem began as a people problem… as many here will attest. Posts like yours reignite my passion to teach and learn, to demonstrate by my own example, that raising and living with a dog does not require abuse. Where you draw the line, I feel, is the real dilemma. Abuse to one, is nothing to the next person, as I have stated previously. We all are different in how we interpret things that occur in our lives, and are in our individual sensitivities, and our emotional resilience. Life is not black and white, as many of us would like it to be. Everything is on a continuum, and dealing with all the various degrees of grey is tricky.

    I think a person’s motivation is what they get back in all their interactions with all living things (that includes dogs), which is why a person’s motive(s) are the key to the punishment befitting a crime in a court of law. Susan’s dogs clearly show all of us what her motivation is, and it is both admirable and worth emulating, as best we can, from where we are right now. Some have further to go than others. But as long as we keep moving forward… forward… it can only be a good thing… and our pace and progress depend on our abilities, our degree of openness, and our willingness to resist a long history of mistreating dogs in the guise of “training”. I think training dogs is really all about people changing and growing, and less so about the dogs doing the same. People have egos, and too often those egos reside at the end of a leash. Hence the difficulty in making much quicker and more enlightened progress than we have made at this point…

    I’m rambling… I’m sure you catch my drift…

    There is only traveling, there is no “arriving” on this very real journey that we are all on… and isn’t it wonderful that Susan Garrett has not, is not, giving up on us, and is generous and gracious enough to share her journey with us! Her example(s) (4140) speak loudly and clearly. At least, they do to me. Thank you, Susan Garrett! You are a gift to us all, even whether we all know it or not. I only ask that you never give up, on us, or on yourself, LOL!!!


  9. JessicaRose says:
    Saturday, August 20, 2011 at 6:35pm

    I have been going over and over this wonderful blog site with all of your posts and insights. I used to be one of those people who were cruel in training dogs, and I am ashamed to admit it. I have a 9 year old chow seymoyed whom I have been quite cruel to in the past…calling him stupid and what not. Just recently as I have decided to get into agility things more, I stumbled upon Susan Garret. I couldn’t BELIEVE what I saw in her videos and all the wonderful advice! I am in awe of clicker training, where as before I thought it was for weak people who were tree huggers. I can only say that my mind has been changed, permanently! I have started doing some easy stuff with my dog using a clicker, and he is actually doing it!! I have never in my life been so impressed with anything! Susan, you have changed an old, mean, dog person into a newly “reborn” tree huggin clicker gal! I can’t wait to get my new pup in the fall of 2012.. I will be well informed and completely ready by then! Thanks for such a wonderful forum! All of you! 😀


  10. Wendy says:
    Friday, August 19, 2011 at 9:21pm

    after all we are only human. We need to be as forgiving as our dogs


  11. Barb says:
    Friday, August 19, 2011 at 4:07pm

    Great insights here.


  12. carol says:
    Friday, August 19, 2011 at 11:28am

    I wish more trainers read this…yes it is the people. I love the reframe on the AR quote. Great post! Wow 4140!


  13. JP says:
    Thursday, August 18, 2011 at 9:19pm

    The comments I found most interesting were the few saying the “old” Susan method was helpful for them.

    In one’s example, I can certainly imagine shutting down if someone shoved a face in my hand and yelled at me. But after that, I would probably think about why it happened, and how my dog must have felt when I did it to them just seconds earlier.

    If someone just calmly said “There are nicer ways of proofing a stay” I’d probably shrug and go “Maybe there are, so what?”

    Having that treatment done to me would show me, very clearly, what the “so what” is: it makes my dog feel terrible and shut down. It shows me in a way that kind words never could.

    Perhaps I would be in a bad mood and say that it was mean to do that to me, but then there’s no way I could deny that if such treatment is mean, then I was obviously being mean to my dog.

    I think it’s sometimes a good way to influence humans, who might initially react the way a dog would (eg fleeing or shutting down), but can reflect on the reasons for it logically afterward (unlike a dog). Even if it makes the human feel bad for a bit, I find it justifiable if it might prevent the dog from feeling even worse in the future.

    What would be interesting is what % of people accept the message vs irrationally blame the messenger, what % of people change due to kind words vs due to shock treatment.


    • Deb Bogart says:
      Friday, August 19, 2011 at 8:23am

      JP….and that’s exactly the way I took it. After the camp I was actually talking to my instructor at the time and I said “I don’t think Susan likes me that much” and she asked why. I said
      “because I only got yelled at once in 3 days.” 😉 And of course I was kidding. The things I heard before going to my first camp almost made me cancel. I am so glad I didn’t, because I couldn’t imagine learning more with anyone else and the horror stories I heard were non-existant.


    • Susan Tombs says:
      Friday, August 19, 2011 at 5:32pm

      You’ve made some good points JP! If somebody shoved a FACE in my HAND, I’d definitely freak out, especially if the rest of the head and body was not attached to the FACE!!! A yucky and gruesome experience, for sure.

      All joking aside on your I’m sure unintended reversal, I agree with you that shock value does have its place, and sometimes it takes an IN YOUR FACE to clearly demonstrate or to simply WAKE A STUDENT out of some passive, unconscious, comatose state. Trouble is, oftentimes its those very same students who do NOT contemplate the meaning of said demonstration or wake up call, but rather, are quick to make the teacher along with the teaching “wrong” and/or “mean”. To me, Life is the greatest teacher…

      Honestly, I think everything works, and nothing works, depending on the student, the teacher, the timing, and the situation at hand. Being appropriate is the key/catch. There certainly are exceptions to EVERY rule. So I appreciate your pointing out the few “anomalies” amongst the many that felt the “old” Susan was, perhaps, too harsh. In my view, everything has a time and a place. Sometimes a wet towel to the backside is EXACTLY what is called for when a truck is barreling down on them and they’re oblivious. Being “nice” is not ALWAYS nice. The main problem with the whole dog and people teaching/training thing is, there is no final, absolute, for-sure, God-sanctioned guide book that is always right, never wrong, and takes every single situation and anomaly into full and careful consideration. And if there where, everything would be open to interpretation, hence all the conflict around religions. Anyway, just ask any parent… what worked yesterday with their child, for some reason no longer works today. The eternal debate of “right” and “wrong” will never, ever end, as long as there are thinking people on the planet. What is being “mean” to one person is being “kind” to another. You can kill with kindness and you can cure with pain and discomfort. And of course, there are cultural aspects to our interpretations, further coloured by our beliefs, too!

      I think the most fortunate dog trainers are the ones who don’t always have to be “right”, and aren’t afraid of at times being “wrong”, who are open to reconsidering the past, present, and future (which becomes the present, and then the past) training methods, with each individual dog and its particular temperament, whether “hard” or “soft”, etc in mind, based on being sensitive to what the dog is telling the trainer. Being overly DOGmatic (as opposed to being CATatonic, lol!) can, at times, be a cover-up for fear, insecurity and uncertainty and in the uncertain world we live in, FANaticism can give the illusion of security and certainty, oftentimes with a strong emotional charge alongside… I’m not a fan of FANaticism, and sure would be sorry to see Susan Garrett’s name on packaging for collapsable water dishes, such as I saw in some chain stores this week… Cesar Millan has his “own” product line now, which I feel has absolutely nothing to do with training and teaching of dogs and people. It’s all about the money and the fame… which taints EVERYTHING. Stay small. Stay humble.

      Just my musing on the Eternal Debate of “right/wrong”, “good/bad”, “is it cold in here, or is it just me?” There are three kinds of people: Those who think they know, and don’t know. Those who think they don’t know. And those who know they don’t know. At least, I think that’s how it goes… but I don’t know for sure… but it’s the gist of it, anyway, LOL!


  14. Anne West Oz says:
    Thursday, August 18, 2011 at 5:36am

    Great item. Sure we can all relate to having responded to a student in what is a unproductive way. I try hard to not be demeaning when I instruct, I tend to ignore unwanted behaviours from my students (unless an issue to the class or risk to them or dog). I admit there those students I wish would just go away, but none the less I will look to alternative ways to get across to them, and hopefully turn on the light. I know I am a far different dog trainer and instructer today than even a year ago and I find the students I have today are keener and more positive than when I started, so maybe something is working. My passion for instructing has also grown. I think that is me redirecting as I don’t have a dog to actively compete with and most likely be a few years before I do (am sure my dogs are also hoping the same). Whether or not I am a good instructor only my students can answer that, I only know they think I am completely nuts.


  15. Chris says:
    Wednesday, August 17, 2011 at 11:45pm

    Congratulations on your victory. LOVE the blog

    Sounds like you were not practicing on your students what you preached for them to practice on the dogs.

    If there were not other things that needed attention in my life I would sign up for your course just based on the blog. I love all of the information that have published and have copies of most.


  16. Susan Tombs says:
    Wednesday, August 17, 2011 at 9:25pm

    OK, it’s confession time… I’ve got this expression “Idiots and Their Dogs”. Especially when (last week) an off-leash dog attacks mine as we’re dashing along dog scootering, minding our own business. I SO KNOW absolutely that my hesitation in teaching others about more enlightened approaches to training their dogs is that I would have to be dealing with the people. And, as I have often heard (and said myself), “It’s not the dogs that are the problem, it’s the people!!!”

    Well, everyone, without ripping my head off, you might give me some positive pointers about the joys of teaching people to train their dogs… I’ve done it on-and-off over the past 5 years, but find that (so far) NO ONE is willing to do the work required. OR, they know so much already (really?!?) they have no room for new/different approaches. In other words, their cup is already full… and/or they usually want to debate other trainers’ or their own philosophies… and that’s just not really how I want to spend my time in a class setting or one-on-ones. That’s what THIS venue is meant to be for. Maybe MY cup became too full after teaching for 20 years!!! Anyway, I’m still mulling it over as something to do seriously, starting in 2012… I can see a lot of value in doing it, in large part for my own personal growth. Yet the tired part of me doesn’t want to have to face the challenges… based on what I’ve seen so far… I’m quite sure those of us participating here in SY stuff are just NOT the majority of dog custodians, in any sense. Then again, I realize that if Susan Garrett gave up on people, I wouldn’t be writing this here! Sigh… Maybe I just have to “Bite The Bullet” and deal with people once again… to help their dogs, and to help myself grow, through examining everything that comes up for me in the process… Open to your thoughts, everyone… I SO LOVE teaching students who truly want to learn, and there’s the rub. Sticking my neck out here…


    • Jackie says:
      Wednesday, August 17, 2011 at 9:41pm


      I don’t know what your story is (if you’re a PT dog trainer or just love training your own dogs or are a competitive trainer) but what gets me through most days dealing with the average dog owner is lots of deep breathes and knowing that the people coming to me are actively seeking HELP. Yea, most of them are flawed in their doggie knowledge but they are willing to listen when given the opportunity to learn. I find that most people are not full of themselves and don’t want to learn (some are). They just need to forum to learn in, and most of the time they need it put in front of them because they will never seek it out. After you have the audience you just need to know how to influence them. Do Land for people and many different ways of explaining and accomplishing goals because not everyone has the ability to master the same training mechanics.

      If you’re a competitive trainer this pool becomes even more shallow. There are so few people that really strive to be great trainers. For those people I feel that the motivation simply isn’t there and likely never will be.

      Don’t even get me started on the off leash thing though. 😉


    • brittsdeux says:
      Sunday, August 21, 2011 at 10:30pm

      S, speaking as a newbie, training my first pups, I’m pretty sure that I don’t get it and move along nearly as fast as my fantastic trainers probably would like me to do. But I am forever grateful for their patience with me, and their understanding that I’ve got to move at my own pace. Even at my sometimes snail’s pace, my teachers have enabled me to create a much better world for my pups than if I had never encountered such great teachers. To all instructors out there whom I may have exasperated (more than once!) — please know that you are making a huge difference to us, even if it doesn’t seem like it. Don’t give up on us! We need you!


  17. Fiona NZ says:
    Wednesday, August 17, 2011 at 8:57pm

    Thanks for that Susan. I can identify with what you have written through being on the receiving end, and reflecting on what I do from the giving end.
    You have given me a lot of leadership tips through this blog (tho I don’t always tell my team that they originated from a dog trainer!).

    Something I have heard recently from a leadership course I have done is quite relevant to this topic…

    “No-one has the right to reduce people’s self-esteem. People’s feelings are their own, and we should not attack a person’s “being””


  18. Nat says:
    Wednesday, August 17, 2011 at 8:00pm

    Wow! Wonderful post!


  19. Diana says:
    Wednesday, August 17, 2011 at 2:42pm



  20. Lisi says:
    Wednesday, August 17, 2011 at 12:02pm

    It is refreshing to see that there are still humble professionals out there, thank you for sharing that story. I have felt words aren’t needed, our students (dogs and or humans) speak for us when they go in the ring and are successful.


  21. Ann Potter says:
    Wednesday, August 17, 2011 at 10:39am

    Wonderful post! I know I have turned students away by being critical of their training methods. I know by my own reaction as a student that criticism is often a reflection of judgement and will shut me down–with the result that I will not usually go back to the same instructor.

    I have recently gone back to one though–because I really respect her training and decided, based on your good student series, to change my approach. It works!
    But I have also changed my teaching techniques due to my experience as a student.


  22. Liz says:
    Wednesday, August 17, 2011 at 9:42am

    Thanks for sharing your knowledge and thoughts. This causes me to think and rethink how I do things. It is helping my dogs and me become better. Thanks!!


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